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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 05:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Vianna! I&#039;ve surely had many clients over the years who have bought little or nothing, but I&#039;ve been blessed in that they have made up the vast minority of my clientele. They cheapies do exist, and it&#039;s inevitable you&#039;ll run into them, especially with such a great offer as no session fee and very affordable products.

What I&#039;ve learned over the years is that cheap clients usually come as a result of cheap marketing. If I&#039;m running around town shouting from the rooftops that I&#039;m doing free shoots with only $10 prints, I&#039;m begging to end up with a bunch of clients that just want to spend $10 or $20.

As in all things, there is a balance to be achieved.

My goal is always to stay booked to my personal desired capacity. Whether for you that&#039;s five shoots a week or one, you know about how often you like to or want to shoot.

In the early stages of your business, any client is a good client. Every single one lets you grow as an artist and business owner. They allow you to experiment, fail, and grow using live guinea pigs for fodder. They let you poke at this price, prod at that policy, and begin to really define and refine your work. All the while, improving your artistic talents.

That said, if you&#039;re booked solid with cheapie clients, don&#039;t be afraid to raise your prices, or likely better, stop marketing yourself on price and start marketing yourself solely on art and the experience you create for your clients. This was a big step I took once my art was good enough to keep me booked solid for a month or two in advance - and when you stop advertising price, you start getting clients whose primary concern is your great art, not your great prices. When they find out how low risk your pricing schedule is, they don&#039;t hesitate to book.

Early on, it takes very little stress or worry to offer no session fee, no minimum order, and prints/files starting at just $xx. When your art and experience mature, it takes a lot of confidence to sell on the same platform - the onus truly is on you to create art so excellent and varied that your clients can&#039;t keep from buying it.

There&#039;s certainly an argument that digital files are premium products (maximum size, unlimited number of reproductions, kills potential for follow-up sales). There&#039;s also an argument that digital files are virtually free (can be reproduced infinitely without cost, a CD full to the brim costs a fraction of even the smallest print). When you&#039;re setting prices for any product, have a reason - a real, arguable, logical reason for why you charge what you charge, for any product.

I love selling digital files - I love the ease, I love the simplicity, I love educating my clients on what cool things they can do with those images, I love seeing my images all over Facebook, I love empowering clients, I love just handing over a CD and not having to stress about what the lab will or will not have done to my image upon its printer, I love that what I hand my client is a pure and perfect copy of what I showed them when they made their purchase.

There are many, many photographers who love prints and wall art for a completely different set of reasons, and for those photogs, it makes sense that they price digital much more expensively, or don&#039;t sell digital at all - it&#039;s not what they or their clients love. Every photographer, and every market, has its own personality.

To directly answer your questions:

- When I hand over digital files to a client, I always educate them as to where to get the best prints, what will happen if they print at a one-hour shop or drugstore, what cool stuff they can do with the files, how they may look different on different computers because of monitor calibration, etc. A little education goes a long way to ensure the client knows how to get the most out of their images.

- I have never feared what my clients might do to my art. I&#039;m too busy photographing more clients. If one out of a hundred load up my images into Paint Shop Pro and make them look like a dog threw up a cat, and then post their artistic interpretation to Facebook or their wall or wherever, it&#039;s still just one client out of a hundred. The breadth and depth of my portfolio, online and in print, the art I show in my marketing pieces and advertising, on social media, and what my other 99 clients share in pure form with their friends and family, creates a tidal wave of good impressions that reduce any lesser examples to impotence.

- If you worry about your clients buying digital files and printing them too low of quality, educate your client as to where they can get best quality work done. Hand them the keys to the kingdom. The professional lab I use has a consumer division that produces prints and products of near-indistinguishable quality from what I sell for much, much more. And I tell my clients as much. I give them the web address, and tell them how easy it is to just upload and order &quot;for just a few dollars more than what you&#039;ll pay for fuzzy, off-color prints from Walmart.&quot;

- If you do offer files at a higher price, you just shift your place in the market more toward prints. You&#039;ll market to and earn more clients who want prints, desktop framed images, wallets, and hopefully, nice wall art to enjoy for generations. I only recommend photographers push a more digital-friendly offering because it&#039;s what the majority of the market wants, it&#039;s very low-risk and low-cost to the photographer, it breaks the mold of what most other professional photographers do, and most importantly and true of anything I recommend here on PTP, it works very well for me. When a client buys a full CD of images from me, even at a highly discounted price, I look at my per-hour earnings (in pocket, after all expenses), and grin like a Cheshire cat.

Your questions are fully valid, indeed I should write an article on the &quot;letting go&quot; aspect of selling digital files, and I thank you for the inspiration. If you focus on ever-improving your value to clients, through better art and a better experience, you&#039;ll quickly grow beyond pricing and soon be able to book yourself solid on the merits of your good work alone - which leads to an equally better quality of client, as well.

Please do keep me posted on your progress, how you decide to handle and price your files and prints, and what the results are for you this year! Don&#039;t be afraid to experiment for a few months, then change things up and see how your business changes with it. Nothing is ever set in stone - never forget, you&#039;re the boss, you&#039;re in charge. Look at it as an adventure, a grand and profitable experiment, which only grows more profitable over time. It&#039;s a wonderful profession to enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Vianna! I&#8217;ve surely had many clients over the years who have bought little or nothing, but I&#8217;ve been blessed in that they have made up the vast minority of my clientele. They cheapies do exist, and it&#8217;s inevitable you&#8217;ll run into them, especially with such a great offer as no session fee and very affordable products.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve learned over the years is that cheap clients usually come as a result of cheap marketing. If I&#8217;m running around town shouting from the rooftops that I&#8217;m doing free shoots with only $10 prints, I&#8217;m begging to end up with a bunch of clients that just want to spend $10 or $20.</p>
<p>As in all things, there is a balance to be achieved.</p>
<p>My goal is always to stay booked to my personal desired capacity. Whether for you that&#8217;s five shoots a week or one, you know about how often you like to or want to shoot.</p>
<p>In the early stages of your business, any client is a good client. Every single one lets you grow as an artist and business owner. They allow you to experiment, fail, and grow using live guinea pigs for fodder. They let you poke at this price, prod at that policy, and begin to really define and refine your work. All the while, improving your artistic talents.</p>
<p>That said, if you&#8217;re booked solid with cheapie clients, don&#8217;t be afraid to raise your prices, or likely better, stop marketing yourself on price and start marketing yourself solely on art and the experience you create for your clients. This was a big step I took once my art was good enough to keep me booked solid for a month or two in advance &#8211; and when you stop advertising price, you start getting clients whose primary concern is your great art, not your great prices. When they find out how low risk your pricing schedule is, they don&#8217;t hesitate to book.</p>
<p>Early on, it takes very little stress or worry to offer no session fee, no minimum order, and prints/files starting at just $xx. When your art and experience mature, it takes a lot of confidence to sell on the same platform &#8211; the onus truly is on you to create art so excellent and varied that your clients can&#8217;t keep from buying it.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s certainly an argument that digital files are premium products (maximum size, unlimited number of reproductions, kills potential for follow-up sales). There&#8217;s also an argument that digital files are virtually free (can be reproduced infinitely without cost, a CD full to the brim costs a fraction of even the smallest print). When you&#8217;re setting prices for any product, have a reason &#8211; a real, arguable, logical reason for why you charge what you charge, for any product.</p>
<p>I love selling digital files &#8211; I love the ease, I love the simplicity, I love educating my clients on what cool things they can do with those images, I love seeing my images all over Facebook, I love empowering clients, I love just handing over a CD and not having to stress about what the lab will or will not have done to my image upon its printer, I love that what I hand my client is a pure and perfect copy of what I showed them when they made their purchase.</p>
<p>There are many, many photographers who love prints and wall art for a completely different set of reasons, and for those photogs, it makes sense that they price digital much more expensively, or don&#8217;t sell digital at all &#8211; it&#8217;s not what they or their clients love. Every photographer, and every market, has its own personality.</p>
<p>To directly answer your questions:</p>
<p>- When I hand over digital files to a client, I always educate them as to where to get the best prints, what will happen if they print at a one-hour shop or drugstore, what cool stuff they can do with the files, how they may look different on different computers because of monitor calibration, etc. A little education goes a long way to ensure the client knows how to get the most out of their images.</p>
<p>- I have never feared what my clients might do to my art. I&#8217;m too busy photographing more clients. If one out of a hundred load up my images into Paint Shop Pro and make them look like a dog threw up a cat, and then post their artistic interpretation to Facebook or their wall or wherever, it&#8217;s still just one client out of a hundred. The breadth and depth of my portfolio, online and in print, the art I show in my marketing pieces and advertising, on social media, and what my other 99 clients share in pure form with their friends and family, creates a tidal wave of good impressions that reduce any lesser examples to impotence.</p>
<p>- If you worry about your clients buying digital files and printing them too low of quality, educate your client as to where they can get best quality work done. Hand them the keys to the kingdom. The professional lab I use has a consumer division that produces prints and products of near-indistinguishable quality from what I sell for much, much more. And I tell my clients as much. I give them the web address, and tell them how easy it is to just upload and order &#8220;for just a few dollars more than what you&#8217;ll pay for fuzzy, off-color prints from Walmart.&#8221;</p>
<p>- If you do offer files at a higher price, you just shift your place in the market more toward prints. You&#8217;ll market to and earn more clients who want prints, desktop framed images, wallets, and hopefully, nice wall art to enjoy for generations. I only recommend photographers push a more digital-friendly offering because it&#8217;s what the majority of the market wants, it&#8217;s very low-risk and low-cost to the photographer, it breaks the mold of what most other professional photographers do, and most importantly and true of anything I recommend here on PTP, it works very well for me. When a client buys a full CD of images from me, even at a highly discounted price, I look at my per-hour earnings (in pocket, after all expenses), and grin like a Cheshire cat.</p>
<p>Your questions are fully valid, indeed I should write an article on the &#8220;letting go&#8221; aspect of selling digital files, and I thank you for the inspiration. If you focus on ever-improving your value to clients, through better art and a better experience, you&#8217;ll quickly grow beyond pricing and soon be able to book yourself solid on the merits of your good work alone &#8211; which leads to an equally better quality of client, as well.</p>
<p>Please do keep me posted on your progress, how you decide to handle and price your files and prints, and what the results are for you this year! Don&#8217;t be afraid to experiment for a few months, then change things up and see how your business changes with it. Nothing is ever set in stone &#8211; never forget, you&#8217;re the boss, you&#8217;re in charge. Look at it as an adventure, a grand and profitable experiment, which only grows more profitable over time. It&#8217;s a wonderful profession to enjoy!</p>
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		<title>By: Vianna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vianna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 01:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI James, Me again!
I am using your guide, and it is working a treat, Im getting clients, I&#039;m loving the work, the clients are loving the final images, but I feel as though I am putting a great deal of time and effort into getting the perfect image only to have the client want to pay $10 for ONE 4x6 print...I feel a bit used and abused!!!
I am struggling (mentally) with the whole digital file part too. I know it works well for you, and I commend you, for being able to keep your prices low after so many years. but I have a couple of questions for you...
I believe that digital files are a premium product, am I being too precious?
Do you not worry that when the client prints the image with another supplier, the colour and quality may not be to their satisfaction.
And, are you not worried that an inferior product could bring your talent down?
Just a couple of things that worry me...If I offer the digital files, at a lower price, the client WILL go and get them printed, not only do I loose money , but the image will definatly be of lesser quality and not colour correct...Im not sure how I feel about this.
If I offer the files at a higher price, I loose out and look like Im trying to make money out of doing nothing...
Any Ideas how to tackle this...or am I just being a control freak...give in and sell the files cheap and let the client deal with the repercussions?????
Sorry... staring to ramble now!!!!
Thanks again James, your blog has been a wonderful help to me! 
Cheers, Vianna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI James, Me again!<br />
I am using your guide, and it is working a treat, Im getting clients, I&#8217;m loving the work, the clients are loving the final images, but I feel as though I am putting a great deal of time and effort into getting the perfect image only to have the client want to pay $10 for ONE 4&#215;6 print&#8230;I feel a bit used and abused!!!<br />
I am struggling (mentally) with the whole digital file part too. I know it works well for you, and I commend you, for being able to keep your prices low after so many years. but I have a couple of questions for you&#8230;<br />
I believe that digital files are a premium product, am I being too precious?<br />
Do you not worry that when the client prints the image with another supplier, the colour and quality may not be to their satisfaction.<br />
And, are you not worried that an inferior product could bring your talent down?<br />
Just a couple of things that worry me&#8230;If I offer the digital files, at a lower price, the client WILL go and get them printed, not only do I loose money , but the image will definatly be of lesser quality and not colour correct&#8230;Im not sure how I feel about this.<br />
If I offer the files at a higher price, I loose out and look like Im trying to make money out of doing nothing&#8230;<br />
Any Ideas how to tackle this&#8230;or am I just being a control freak&#8230;give in and sell the files cheap and let the client deal with the repercussions?????<br />
Sorry&#8230; staring to ramble now!!!!<br />
Thanks again James, your blog has been a wonderful help to me!<br />
Cheers, Vianna</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
		<link>http://parttimephoto.com/what-should-i-charge-for-my-part-time-photography-your-first-customer-series-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-9863</link>
		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 15:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your kind words Elle, and congratulations on making the decision to move forward with your professional photography! Part time, full time, or part time eventually turning to full time, it&#039;s a wonderful business to get into full of good people, and good times. Almost 100% of the time, it&#039;s only we photographers who make it more complicated and fearsome than it needs to be.

Please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures! I truly look forward to hearing how your engagement shoot (and hopefully sales!) turns out. Trust me when I say, it&#039;s a lot like getting a flu shot - thinking about it hurts more than the moment itself.

The path you&#039;re on is indeed a journey, and it will be as enjoyable, fun, and fulfilling a journey as you let it be. Again, we are always our harshest critic - while we need to continually recognize where we can make the most important improvements, we need to forgive and accept and encourage ourselves in equal measure. If you screw up - and we all do on a regular basis - recognize the mistake and use that powerful energy to plan and practice improvements.

Thank you again for your readership, and please keep in touch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your kind words Elle, and congratulations on making the decision to move forward with your professional photography! Part time, full time, or part time eventually turning to full time, it&#8217;s a wonderful business to get into full of good people, and good times. Almost 100% of the time, it&#8217;s only we photographers who make it more complicated and fearsome than it needs to be.</p>
<p>Please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures! I truly look forward to hearing how your engagement shoot (and hopefully sales!) turns out. Trust me when I say, it&#8217;s a lot like getting a flu shot &#8211; thinking about it hurts more than the moment itself.</p>
<p>The path you&#8217;re on is indeed a journey, and it will be as enjoyable, fun, and fulfilling a journey as you let it be. Again, we are always our harshest critic &#8211; while we need to continually recognize where we can make the most important improvements, we need to forgive and accept and encourage ourselves in equal measure. If you screw up &#8211; and we all do on a regular basis &#8211; recognize the mistake and use that powerful energy to plan and practice improvements.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your readership, and please keep in touch!</p>
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		<title>By: Elle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 09:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After many years of contemplating what I should do career wise, I have finally decided I would take my passion for photography and turn it into a career for myself. I can&#039;t help but thank you for all of this advice you have given. I found part time photo a few days ago and haven&#039;t been able to stop reading. This particular entry has helped me decide on my pricing. I have an engagement photo-shoot coming up, and it may be my first paid session. So nervous but excited at the same time. I am so grateful that I found this site during my journey. I hope you continue to grace us with your wonderful advice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After many years of contemplating what I should do career wise, I have finally decided I would take my passion for photography and turn it into a career for myself. I can&#8217;t help but thank you for all of this advice you have given. I found part time photo a few days ago and haven&#8217;t been able to stop reading. This particular entry has helped me decide on my pricing. I have an engagement photo-shoot coming up, and it may be my first paid session. So nervous but excited at the same time. I am so grateful that I found this site during my journey. I hope you continue to grace us with your wonderful advice!</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comment Lisa!

I switched to an almost completely digital sales model years ago, and I&#039;ve not looked back since. I learned that for me in my market, my stress level was minimal and my clients were most happy (and profitable!) as I walked away from conventional practices and did what I thought was right, what made sense to me as both an artist and a consumer.

There are so many things one can worry about in life - about life, about business, about art. My best advice is to simply let go of the worry and focus on what&#039;s actually important: your art, and marketing it to an interested clientele. You will get some bad clients, some may even do horrible things to your photos, but the vast majority will be great subjects, make for great art, buy well, and treat your work with respect, while being your biggest fans and cheerleaders in their social circles. It&#039;s vastly easier to win over people in this way when you don&#039;t treat them like criminals, but as respected, appreciated clients.

Education helps: when I hand over a CD to a client, I also make a recommendation of my favorite local and online labs to have prints made, and encourage them to pay the extra dollar or so to get much better quality than the one-hour shops.

In my experience, my photo shoots are both more profitable and my average sales are larger than they were when I primarily (or only) pushed prints. I used to do it all - frames, canvas, add-ons, upgrades, up-sells, packages, volume discounts, the whole kit and caboodle of &quot;tricks&quot; photographers (and many other industries) use to squeeze clients for more dollars. It was like trying to teach a pig to sing - it just frustrates you and annoys the pig.

Honestly, I think the whole &quot;what will they do to my art!&quot; argument is a paranoid one instilled by artists who like to call themselves such with a capital A - focus on the art and experience you&#039;re creating for your client, and don&#039;t worry about those things which are wholly beyond your control (if you don&#039;t sell digital, they&#039;ll just scan the print, etc.) - improve your art, improve the experience you create for clients, adjust your prices and policies as you go along and adapt your business to best serve your market. If you do this, you will be so busy with the fruits of your success that you will have neither time nor interest in worrying about what a few squirrely clients do with your digital files after they&#039;ve bought them.

I hope this helps! Thank you again for your readership! Let me know which path you choose, and how it serves you this year. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment Lisa!</p>
<p>I switched to an almost completely digital sales model years ago, and I&#8217;ve not looked back since. I learned that for me in my market, my stress level was minimal and my clients were most happy (and profitable!) as I walked away from conventional practices and did what I thought was right, what made sense to me as both an artist and a consumer.</p>
<p>There are so many things one can worry about in life &#8211; about life, about business, about art. My best advice is to simply let go of the worry and focus on what&#8217;s actually important: your art, and marketing it to an interested clientele. You will get some bad clients, some may even do horrible things to your photos, but the vast majority will be great subjects, make for great art, buy well, and treat your work with respect, while being your biggest fans and cheerleaders in their social circles. It&#8217;s vastly easier to win over people in this way when you don&#8217;t treat them like criminals, but as respected, appreciated clients.</p>
<p>Education helps: when I hand over a CD to a client, I also make a recommendation of my favorite local and online labs to have prints made, and encourage them to pay the extra dollar or so to get much better quality than the one-hour shops.</p>
<p>In my experience, my photo shoots are both more profitable and my average sales are larger than they were when I primarily (or only) pushed prints. I used to do it all &#8211; frames, canvas, add-ons, upgrades, up-sells, packages, volume discounts, the whole kit and caboodle of &#8220;tricks&#8221; photographers (and many other industries) use to squeeze clients for more dollars. It was like trying to teach a pig to sing &#8211; it just frustrates you and annoys the pig.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think the whole &#8220;what will they do to my art!&#8221; argument is a paranoid one instilled by artists who like to call themselves such with a capital A &#8211; focus on the art and experience you&#8217;re creating for your client, and don&#8217;t worry about those things which are wholly beyond your control (if you don&#8217;t sell digital, they&#8217;ll just scan the print, etc.) &#8211; improve your art, improve the experience you create for clients, adjust your prices and policies as you go along and adapt your business to best serve your market. If you do this, you will be so busy with the fruits of your success that you will have neither time nor interest in worrying about what a few squirrely clients do with your digital files after they&#8217;ve bought them.</p>
<p>I hope this helps! Thank you again for your readership! Let me know which path you choose, and how it serves you this year. <img src='http://parttimephoto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
		<link>http://parttimephoto.com/what-should-i-charge-for-my-part-time-photography-your-first-customer-series-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-9808</link>
		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 01:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are most welcome Jamie, thank you for your kind words! Portraiture photography is a wonderful business to get into, you have real opportunities to both bless and be blessed in the creation of your art. Approach your business and clients with confidence, knowing that what you do benefits you as an artist, and your clients as beneficiaries of your art. They wouldn&#039;t hire you if they didn&#039;t want to. Please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures this year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are most welcome Jamie, thank you for your kind words! Portraiture photography is a wonderful business to get into, you have real opportunities to both bless and be blessed in the creation of your art. Approach your business and clients with confidence, knowing that what you do benefits you as an artist, and your clients as beneficiaries of your art. They wouldn&#8217;t hire you if they didn&#8217;t want to. Please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures this year!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been told by many professional photographers that selling digital files basically ruins the potential repeat business of clients coming back for prints, and also gives clients the ability to &quot;tamper&quot; with the processing you&#039;ve done in their own editing software.  Professionals also worry about clients printing at lower end places (i.e., Walmart) and ending up with crappy quality to present to their friends (other potential clients). Personally, I like the idea of selling files over prints (except for my fine art work).  And I believe people have the right to their images.  Having been a photography client myself (for my wedding), I&#039;d be very upset to have my images &quot;held hostage&quot; by the photographer (I was happy to pay for the files, but insistent that I have them).  But I keep second guessing myself on this issue.  I see that you are okay with selling digital files.  Do you really think no money is lost by doing that?  Do you worry about clients re-working the images (lots of people like to play with editing software) and how the edits they might make affect your presentation of your work?  Do you worry about them printing low quality prints to show their friends?  (I&#039;m still reading through your blog, so I hope I haven&#039;t asked something that&#039;s already been addressed elsewhere).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told by many professional photographers that selling digital files basically ruins the potential repeat business of clients coming back for prints, and also gives clients the ability to &#8220;tamper&#8221; with the processing you&#8217;ve done in their own editing software.  Professionals also worry about clients printing at lower end places (i.e., Walmart) and ending up with crappy quality to present to their friends (other potential clients). Personally, I like the idea of selling files over prints (except for my fine art work).  And I believe people have the right to their images.  Having been a photography client myself (for my wedding), I&#8217;d be very upset to have my images &#8220;held hostage&#8221; by the photographer (I was happy to pay for the files, but insistent that I have them).  But I keep second guessing myself on this issue.  I see that you are okay with selling digital files.  Do you really think no money is lost by doing that?  Do you worry about clients re-working the images (lots of people like to play with editing software) and how the edits they might make affect your presentation of your work?  Do you worry about them printing low quality prints to show their friends?  (I&#8217;m still reading through your blog, so I hope I haven&#8217;t asked something that&#8217;s already been addressed elsewhere).</p>
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		<title>By: jamie dunlap</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie dunlap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just ran across your site..love love love it.been pondering this idea of becoming a phitographer for quite sometime...im kinda shy and lack confidence but after reading your articles i realized im not alone and its just part of becoming a new photographer. I feel more confident and knowledgable. Pricing really  helped a lot as well..i will keep coming back and recommend your site to all i know in photography...which is several and know they will use n love it too...thanks soo much for your time n helpfulness with your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just ran across your site..love love love it.been pondering this idea of becoming a phitographer for quite sometime&#8230;im kinda shy and lack confidence but after reading your articles i realized im not alone and its just part of becoming a new photographer. I feel more confident and knowledgable. Pricing really  helped a lot as well..i will keep coming back and recommend your site to all i know in photography&#8230;which is several and know they will use n love it too&#8230;thanks soo much for your time n helpfulness with your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 04:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony, thank you for your comment and your readership! I really enjoyed looking at your blog tonight, your subjects&#039; eyes in all your photos are just magical!

Truly, there is no one pricing style that works for everyone - every photographer and market is different. That said, I am a big fan of simplicity, and a big fan of customer-friendly practices. I&#039;ve experimented with all manner of pricing styles over the past 13 years - session fees of $0 to $300, packages and a la carte, turn-key style setups of a session fee that includes a full CD of hi-res files, charging for touch-ups and sepia tones and black and whites, and so on.

What I&#039;ve found to be ultimately simple and attractive to clients, while still offering a great return on my investment of time, is the no session fee, no minimum order, flat base rate for prints and files setup. Having the elevator pitch of, &quot;I charge no session fee, and have no minimum order - you just buy what you love. Prints and files start at just $10,&quot; I can&#039;t recall a potential client who turned me down because of price. It&#039;s really just an imitation of the Walmart style of pricing - folks come in for the $8, 40-print special, and walk out having bought $200 or $300 worth of photos. Except with the system I follow, instead of using up-selling techniques to improve my sales, I rely on putting together the best art and experience I can for my clients.

Regarding having the impression of being a &#039;cheap&#039; photographer, I try to let my art do the selling for me. My pricing is just a hook once the bait, my art, has done its job and piqued interest in a potential client. I don&#039;t advertise my prices, they aren&#039;t published anywhere - potential clients see my art, contact me to visit, and then learn my pricing style - which is almost always immediately followed by booking.

If you&#039;re not scoring the number of shoots you would like, consider a few possibilities:

Exposure - Are enough people seeing your art, and seeing it in a way that inspires and enables them to contact you to book? How are you marketing your services? Are you including a Call to Action so your potential clients know what to do once they&#039;ve seen your art? Is it obvious what you do, who you do it for, and how to contact you?

Impression - If exposure is the number of people seeing your marketing, impression is what people who see your marketing (in whatever form it may take) think when they walk away. You have obvious artistic talents, but does your marketing show off your personality as well? Does it show how fun, or sophisticated, or down to earth you may be? Does it leave people wanting to see or know more? Does it stop them in their tracks as they say, &quot;Whoa, wait, what&#039;s this?&quot; Basically, if you&#039;re getting eyeballs on your art, what are you doing with those eyeballs?

Targeting - Making a great impression through extensive exposure within a market that has no interest in what you have to sell is worth jack diddly. There&#039;s always some crossover (baby photos turn into children&#039;s photos which turn into family portraits which turn into senior photos, etc.), but if you&#039;re primarily a children&#039;s photographer, are you maximizing your exposure where children (and more importantly, their parents) are? Are you doing any co-op marketing with your local children&#039;s resale shops? The maternity ward of your local hospital? Your pediatrician&#039;s office? School PTO? Sunday School? Be Where Your Clients Are.

Niche - You always have to scratch a niche, especially early on. Looking at your blog tonight, all your art is just lovely (again, those eyes!), but I see pet portraits, landscape photos, children&#039;s photos, baby photos, commercial/editorial style work, still life...in that order. It&#039;s often hard for photographers early in their careers to &#039;let go&#039; of everything but what they are best at or love shooting the most, but I feel it makes it vastly easier to break into a market when you focus your work and marketing on that specific niche. Be the best Baby Photographer, or Children&#039;s Photographer, or Family Photographer, or whatever you love, in your market - but don&#039;t try to be the best at everything. As they say, trying to be everything to everyone makes you nothing to anyone.

Going back to pricing, I honestly would say if you&#039;ve never seen anything but package pricing in your area, then that tells you precisely why you need to use a different pricing style. Stay one step ahead of your competition, be innovative, so long as that innovation is in the benefit of your clientele. Make the competitive battle You versus Everyone Else, not you versus each individual competitor - change the game.

I&#039;d wager it&#039;s not your art or your pricing that is causing you to come up short on clients, but more likely your marketing. If you can improve your marketing message and get it in front of the right potential clients, I think you&#039;ll see a serious uptick in the number and quality of your clients. Without knowing your market, competitors, personality, shooting style, etc., I can&#039;t give very good specific advice, but the above ideas are transferable to just about any photographer&#039;s situation. Please don&#039;t hesitate to comment here or e-mail me at James@banderaoutlaw.com if you would like to discuss specific ideas at greater length!

And please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures! Thank you again for your readership!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, thank you for your comment and your readership! I really enjoyed looking at your blog tonight, your subjects&#8217; eyes in all your photos are just magical!</p>
<p>Truly, there is no one pricing style that works for everyone &#8211; every photographer and market is different. That said, I am a big fan of simplicity, and a big fan of customer-friendly practices. I&#8217;ve experimented with all manner of pricing styles over the past 13 years &#8211; session fees of $0 to $300, packages and a la carte, turn-key style setups of a session fee that includes a full CD of hi-res files, charging for touch-ups and sepia tones and black and whites, and so on.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve found to be ultimately simple and attractive to clients, while still offering a great return on my investment of time, is the no session fee, no minimum order, flat base rate for prints and files setup. Having the elevator pitch of, &#8220;I charge no session fee, and have no minimum order &#8211; you just buy what you love. Prints and files start at just $10,&#8221; I can&#8217;t recall a potential client who turned me down because of price. It&#8217;s really just an imitation of the Walmart style of pricing &#8211; folks come in for the $8, 40-print special, and walk out having bought $200 or $300 worth of photos. Except with the system I follow, instead of using up-selling techniques to improve my sales, I rely on putting together the best art and experience I can for my clients.</p>
<p>Regarding having the impression of being a &#8216;cheap&#8217; photographer, I try to let my art do the selling for me. My pricing is just a hook once the bait, my art, has done its job and piqued interest in a potential client. I don&#8217;t advertise my prices, they aren&#8217;t published anywhere &#8211; potential clients see my art, contact me to visit, and then learn my pricing style &#8211; which is almost always immediately followed by booking.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not scoring the number of shoots you would like, consider a few possibilities:</p>
<p>Exposure &#8211; Are enough people seeing your art, and seeing it in a way that inspires and enables them to contact you to book? How are you marketing your services? Are you including a Call to Action so your potential clients know what to do once they&#8217;ve seen your art? Is it obvious what you do, who you do it for, and how to contact you?</p>
<p>Impression &#8211; If exposure is the number of people seeing your marketing, impression is what people who see your marketing (in whatever form it may take) think when they walk away. You have obvious artistic talents, but does your marketing show off your personality as well? Does it show how fun, or sophisticated, or down to earth you may be? Does it leave people wanting to see or know more? Does it stop them in their tracks as they say, &#8220;Whoa, wait, what&#8217;s this?&#8221; Basically, if you&#8217;re getting eyeballs on your art, what are you doing with those eyeballs?</p>
<p>Targeting &#8211; Making a great impression through extensive exposure within a market that has no interest in what you have to sell is worth jack diddly. There&#8217;s always some crossover (baby photos turn into children&#8217;s photos which turn into family portraits which turn into senior photos, etc.), but if you&#8217;re primarily a children&#8217;s photographer, are you maximizing your exposure where children (and more importantly, their parents) are? Are you doing any co-op marketing with your local children&#8217;s resale shops? The maternity ward of your local hospital? Your pediatrician&#8217;s office? School PTO? Sunday School? Be Where Your Clients Are.</p>
<p>Niche &#8211; You always have to scratch a niche, especially early on. Looking at your blog tonight, all your art is just lovely (again, those eyes!), but I see pet portraits, landscape photos, children&#8217;s photos, baby photos, commercial/editorial style work, still life&#8230;in that order. It&#8217;s often hard for photographers early in their careers to &#8216;let go&#8217; of everything but what they are best at or love shooting the most, but I feel it makes it vastly easier to break into a market when you focus your work and marketing on that specific niche. Be the best Baby Photographer, or Children&#8217;s Photographer, or Family Photographer, or whatever you love, in your market &#8211; but don&#8217;t try to be the best at everything. As they say, trying to be everything to everyone makes you nothing to anyone.</p>
<p>Going back to pricing, I honestly would say if you&#8217;ve never seen anything but package pricing in your area, then that tells you precisely why you need to use a different pricing style. Stay one step ahead of your competition, be innovative, so long as that innovation is in the benefit of your clientele. Make the competitive battle You versus Everyone Else, not you versus each individual competitor &#8211; change the game.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d wager it&#8217;s not your art or your pricing that is causing you to come up short on clients, but more likely your marketing. If you can improve your marketing message and get it in front of the right potential clients, I think you&#8217;ll see a serious uptick in the number and quality of your clients. Without knowing your market, competitors, personality, shooting style, etc., I can&#8217;t give very good specific advice, but the above ideas are transferable to just about any photographer&#8217;s situation. Please don&#8217;t hesitate to comment here or e-mail me at <a href="mailto:James@banderaoutlaw.com">James@banderaoutlaw.com</a> if you would like to discuss specific ideas at greater length!</p>
<p>And please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures! Thank you again for your readership!</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 04:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, thank you so much for your kind words!

I really enjoyed visiting your portfolio tonight, you have an amazing way with color in your photographs. You are more than capable of charging for your work, and in fact I look forward to hearing from you about your successes when you do start charging and marketing your talent.

Charging is a huge step - it&#039;s really hanging your shingle and saying, &quot;I am a professional.&quot; Your art is there, though, John - truly. Put yourself out there and allow yourself to enjoy the rewards of your work, and allow your community to be blessed in having you to hire.

Please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, thank you so much for your kind words!</p>
<p>I really enjoyed visiting your portfolio tonight, you have an amazing way with color in your photographs. You are more than capable of charging for your work, and in fact I look forward to hearing from you about your successes when you do start charging and marketing your talent.</p>
<p>Charging is a huge step &#8211; it&#8217;s really hanging your shingle and saying, &#8220;I am a professional.&#8221; Your art is there, though, John &#8211; truly. Put yourself out there and allow yourself to enjoy the rewards of your work, and allow your community to be blessed in having you to hire.</p>
<p>Please do keep me posted on your successes and adventures!</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 03:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all truth, there&#039;s no silver bullet pricing style that works for everyone, of course. Every photographer and market is different.

What&#039;s worked for me and has grown to be my philosophy, is that no client should have to put a dime on the table until they see the art created from their photo shoot. And when they do spend their money, it should be in the purchasing of that art. I feel like session fees and minimum orders only exist to place the onus of risk on the client instead of the photographer.

Not to say there&#039;s any sin in it - especially once you&#039;re established and have a solid client base, charging a session fee does give you a level of protection for your time. But in the early stages when you&#039;re trying to build that base of repeat and referral clients, I think it&#039;s vastly easier to just accept the risk yourself and give the client an unbeatable offer to get them in the door. &quot;I charge no session fee, have no minimum order - you just buy what you love. Prints and files start at just $10.&quot;

Will some clients make a minimal purchase and leave you with little pay for your time? Yes. Will most clients beat your desired minimum and more than make up for the cheap folk? Yes - in my experience, you win far more than you lose for your time. And again, early on, you&#039;re also enjoying the invaluable benefits of growing experience, developing your artistic talents, practicing your skills, refining your business acumen, building your portfolio and base of clients, earning great referrals, etc.

Eventually the time does come to raise prices, maybe set up a session fee or minimum order, to maximize your profits while protecting your time. But early on, and/or in a competitive market, having no session fee breaks the system - instead of it being You against John Doe Photography and Jane Doe Photography and Kiddie Kandids and JC Penney Portrait Studio and Portrait People, it becomes You versus Everyone Else. It evens the playing field in one move.

Thank you again for your comment! Please do keep me posted on your choices, and how they play out in your market. I&#039;d love to hear of your successes and adventures!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all truth, there&#8217;s no silver bullet pricing style that works for everyone, of course. Every photographer and market is different.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worked for me and has grown to be my philosophy, is that no client should have to put a dime on the table until they see the art created from their photo shoot. And when they do spend their money, it should be in the purchasing of that art. I feel like session fees and minimum orders only exist to place the onus of risk on the client instead of the photographer.</p>
<p>Not to say there&#8217;s any sin in it &#8211; especially once you&#8217;re established and have a solid client base, charging a session fee does give you a level of protection for your time. But in the early stages when you&#8217;re trying to build that base of repeat and referral clients, I think it&#8217;s vastly easier to just accept the risk yourself and give the client an unbeatable offer to get them in the door. &#8220;I charge no session fee, have no minimum order &#8211; you just buy what you love. Prints and files start at just $10.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will some clients make a minimal purchase and leave you with little pay for your time? Yes. Will most clients beat your desired minimum and more than make up for the cheap folk? Yes &#8211; in my experience, you win far more than you lose for your time. And again, early on, you&#8217;re also enjoying the invaluable benefits of growing experience, developing your artistic talents, practicing your skills, refining your business acumen, building your portfolio and base of clients, earning great referrals, etc.</p>
<p>Eventually the time does come to raise prices, maybe set up a session fee or minimum order, to maximize your profits while protecting your time. But early on, and/or in a competitive market, having no session fee breaks the system &#8211; instead of it being You against John Doe Photography and Jane Doe Photography and Kiddie Kandids and JC Penney Portrait Studio and Portrait People, it becomes You versus Everyone Else. It evens the playing field in one move.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your comment! Please do keep me posted on your choices, and how they play out in your market. I&#8217;d love to hear of your successes and adventures!</p>
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		<title>By: Graziella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graziella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your perspective on charging a session fee + a specific number of images on CD?  Seems real turn-key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your perspective on charging a session fee + a specific number of images on CD?  Seems real turn-key.</p>
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		<title>By: John Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your well-written article and excellent advice.  It feels a bit strange to charge for something that you&#039;ve been giving away for years.  While one can wing it and adjust prices and tactics on the fly, it&#039;s nice to have the guidelines you&#039;ve provided.  Kudos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your well-written article and excellent advice.  It feels a bit strange to charge for something that you&#8217;ve been giving away for years.  While one can wing it and adjust prices and tactics on the fly, it&#8217;s nice to have the guidelines you&#8217;ve provided.  Kudos!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Schellenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Schellenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think it might be easier for clients to think in terms of packages?  I&#039;ve been advertising pretty much the basic pricing you have above in your article, but I keep wondering what the perception is when people see it&#039;s only $10 for a print/digital image.  Do people actually get out the calculator and see that 20 images will cost $200, or do they just think &quot;$10 seems like cheap photography, I&#039;m looking for quality&quot;?  I know it&#039;s not hard to do that math in your head, I&#039;m just wondering about immediate quality perception of this versus a package model which seems to be the very strong norm in my area (ie I&#039;ve never seen anything else than package pricing).  Just tossing this around in my head as it still seems very hard to get clients so far even with the no session/minimum fee.  I probably need to read your marketing articles again :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it might be easier for clients to think in terms of packages?  I&#8217;ve been advertising pretty much the basic pricing you have above in your article, but I keep wondering what the perception is when people see it&#8217;s only $10 for a print/digital image.  Do people actually get out the calculator and see that 20 images will cost $200, or do they just think &#8220;$10 seems like cheap photography, I&#8217;m looking for quality&#8221;?  I know it&#8217;s not hard to do that math in your head, I&#8217;m just wondering about immediate quality perception of this versus a package model which seems to be the very strong norm in my area (ie I&#8217;ve never seen anything else than package pricing).  Just tossing this around in my head as it still seems very hard to get clients so far even with the no session/minimum fee.  I probably need to read your marketing articles again <img src='http://parttimephoto.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points Anthony - I enjoyed looking at your web site, you take great photos! I think you&#039;re worth a great deal more than $50 a shoot, but you&#039;re right on track - build that portfolio up, then you can charge more and ride you&#039;re existing momentum to some great profits.

I took in a workshop with Doug Box many years ago, and he was very much of the &quot;buy more, get more&quot; mindset - the most expensive print you could buy was the first one. Everything got cheaper the more you spent.

I felt his pricing schedules were wildly complicated and leaned too far into the not-customer-friendly realm, which is why I like a la carte and flat-rate options. As I&#039;ve written here, I like to keep the onus on myself to produce enough variety and quality of art to earn the client&#039;s dollars. If I do better work, they&#039;ll spend more money.

Certainly, I&#039;m partial to a tight cull - I&#039;d rather show a client 10 great photos than 10 great and 20 mediocre ones. One benefit of practicing new setups with each shoot is you can grow out your repertoire until you&#039;re nailing 10, 20, 30 different interesting, unique and salable sets of images per shoot. I do my best to get as much variety in with each shoot, and from a typical hour-long shoot I&#039;ll show a client 30-50 proofs. The better your variety, and of course overall quality, the easier it is to sell more - including that full CD of images at a tidy profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points Anthony &#8211; I enjoyed looking at your web site, you take great photos! I think you&#8217;re worth a great deal more than $50 a shoot, but you&#8217;re right on track &#8211; build that portfolio up, then you can charge more and ride you&#8217;re existing momentum to some great profits.</p>
<p>I took in a workshop with Doug Box many years ago, and he was very much of the &#8220;buy more, get more&#8221; mindset &#8211; the most expensive print you could buy was the first one. Everything got cheaper the more you spent.</p>
<p>I felt his pricing schedules were wildly complicated and leaned too far into the not-customer-friendly realm, which is why I like a la carte and flat-rate options. As I&#8217;ve written here, I like to keep the onus on myself to produce enough variety and quality of art to earn the client&#8217;s dollars. If I do better work, they&#8217;ll spend more money.</p>
<p>Certainly, I&#8217;m partial to a tight cull &#8211; I&#8217;d rather show a client 10 great photos than 10 great and 20 mediocre ones. One benefit of practicing new setups with each shoot is you can grow out your repertoire until you&#8217;re nailing 10, 20, 30 different interesting, unique and salable sets of images per shoot. I do my best to get as much variety in with each shoot, and from a typical hour-long shoot I&#8217;ll show a client 30-50 proofs. The better your variety, and of course overall quality, the easier it is to sell more &#8211; including that full CD of images at a tidy profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
		<link>http://parttimephoto.com/what-should-i-charge-for-my-part-time-photography-your-first-customer-series-part-3/comment-page-1/#comment-8507</link>
		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 01:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Chris! I really enjoyed checking out your Flickr this evening - the time lapse video was awesome! Doing something fun photographically would probably be the only way to get my desk at work clean!

I always offer CDs of all (keeper) photos from a photo shoot. I try to go with a price around 20 to 25 times my base print / file price. If I know that I average a sale of $300 per client, I&#039;ll offer an all-photos-on-CD package for $400 for example. Anything that beats my average per-client sale provides a boost to my bottom line. If I sell &quot;too many&quot; CDs this way, it shifts my per-client averages, so I raise my price for the CD anyway. Pricing is very much a learn-as-you-go sort of thing.

Try adding up all of your typical client sales (ignore the really high or low ones), get an average, and charge $100 or so more than that for a CD of all photos. See if it sells. I&#039;d say about one in four clients will buy the full CD option. It does add quite a bit to my total processing time (I do complete processing and touch-ups on all purchased images), but I always make sure that my desired per-hour income is met. If it&#039;s not, I raise prices, of course.

Like infomercial king Ron Popeil would say, &quot;Set it and forget it!&quot; Pick a price you like the looks of that makes sense in some way, throw it out there, and adjust as you go as you see the need. Trust your gut.

Let me know what you decide on, and how it turns out for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Chris! I really enjoyed checking out your Flickr this evening &#8211; the time lapse video was awesome! Doing something fun photographically would probably be the only way to get my desk at work clean!</p>
<p>I always offer CDs of all (keeper) photos from a photo shoot. I try to go with a price around 20 to 25 times my base print / file price. If I know that I average a sale of $300 per client, I&#8217;ll offer an all-photos-on-CD package for $400 for example. Anything that beats my average per-client sale provides a boost to my bottom line. If I sell &#8220;too many&#8221; CDs this way, it shifts my per-client averages, so I raise my price for the CD anyway. Pricing is very much a learn-as-you-go sort of thing.</p>
<p>Try adding up all of your typical client sales (ignore the really high or low ones), get an average, and charge $100 or so more than that for a CD of all photos. See if it sells. I&#8217;d say about one in four clients will buy the full CD option. It does add quite a bit to my total processing time (I do complete processing and touch-ups on all purchased images), but I always make sure that my desired per-hour income is met. If it&#8217;s not, I raise prices, of course.</p>
<p>Like infomercial king Ron Popeil would say, &#8220;Set it and forget it!&#8221; Pick a price you like the looks of that makes sense in some way, throw it out there, and adjust as you go as you see the need. Trust your gut.</p>
<p>Let me know what you decide on, and how it turns out for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Schellenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Schellenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris, you could place a cap on the price, which is what I&#039;m doing at least until after Christmas.  Since I&#039;ve just started, I decided to have a &quot;Christmas Special&quot; where after 5 digital files the rest come included - pretty much guarantees I&#039;ll get $50 for the shoot - which is very minimal but it gets me started on building my blog/portfolio/experience, gets me used to charging etc.  You could put on a cap after 10 files for $100 or any amount that you think won&#039;t scare away your type of clients.  I still wouldn&#039;t give them all of the files especially if there are a bunch of the same basic pose.  You still want them to look at all the photos and think &quot;what a great photographer&quot;, if you put in too many so-so or poor ones it could change their opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris, you could place a cap on the price, which is what I&#8217;m doing at least until after Christmas.  Since I&#8217;ve just started, I decided to have a &#8220;Christmas Special&#8221; where after 5 digital files the rest come included &#8211; pretty much guarantees I&#8217;ll get $50 for the shoot &#8211; which is very minimal but it gets me started on building my blog/portfolio/experience, gets me used to charging etc.  You could put on a cap after 10 files for $100 or any amount that you think won&#8217;t scare away your type of clients.  I still wouldn&#8217;t give them all of the files especially if there are a bunch of the same basic pose.  You still want them to look at all the photos and think &#8220;what a great photographer&#8221;, if you put in too many so-so or poor ones it could change their opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James-

Awesome series, really informative and helpful.

What&#039;s your take on offering CDs of entire shoots?  Many clients these days pretty much expect a CD with the all of the images.  If I&#039;m charging $10 per file and quoting a client $400 for a disc containing 40 keepers they will surely go running for the door.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James-</p>
<p>Awesome series, really informative and helpful.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your take on offering CDs of entire shoots?  Many clients these days pretty much expect a CD with the all of the images.  If I&#8217;m charging $10 per file and quoting a client $400 for a disc containing 40 keepers they will surely go running for the door.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outlaw Photographer James Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your readership Anthony! I checked out your blog and loved what I saw, just some beautiful art and a real passion for capturing the best of moments in your images. Your photos from yesterday of the young girl in the tree are darling, I can&#039;t imagine any mom not clamoring to have those printed big enough to hang on the walls of her home. You&#039;re going to know nothing but great success in this field, I&#039;m very excited for you! If there&#039;s anything I can do to help, please don&#039;t hesitate to let me know! And please do keep me posted on your adventures!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your readership Anthony! I checked out your blog and loved what I saw, just some beautiful art and a real passion for capturing the best of moments in your images. Your photos from yesterday of the young girl in the tree are darling, I can&#8217;t imagine any mom not clamoring to have those printed big enough to hang on the walls of her home. You&#8217;re going to know nothing but great success in this field, I&#8217;m very excited for you! If there&#8217;s anything I can do to help, please don&#8217;t hesitate to let me know! And please do keep me posted on your adventures!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Schellenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Schellenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 04:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did my first official photoshoot yesterday, thanks for your advice on how to charge.  I have one or two additional clients already lined up for the next couple of weeks!  After Christmas I might change my pricing a bit, but it was great to have a starting point.  I setup a very quick blog today (I&#039;ll improve it when I have a bit more time)  http://anthonymarkphotography.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did my first official photoshoot yesterday, thanks for your advice on how to charge.  I have one or two additional clients already lined up for the next couple of weeks!  After Christmas I might change my pricing a bit, but it was great to have a starting point.  I setup a very quick blog today (I&#8217;ll improve it when I have a bit more time)  <a href="http://anthonymarkphotography.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://anthonymarkphotography.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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